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View Poll Results: Who is the Best?
Terrell Suggs 41 28.28%
Demarcus Ware 34 23.45%
Shawne Merriman 70 48.28%
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True but I admit Scott should have been ahead of T-sizzle.
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It's funny how all the teams passed on Suggs because of his 40 time, yet he is a beast pass rusher and great in coverage and against the run, players just find a way to drop to the Ravens like Ed Reed at the 24th pick and Ray Lewis at the 26th pick, and Todd Heap at the 31st pick and so on, the Ravens know how to evaluate talent not measureables.
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Merriman is the best. Ware is great. Suggs is awesome. Don't forget Adalius Thomas either. Kamerion Wimbley had 11 sacks as a rookie on the Browns for crying out loud. I think Anthony Spencer is about to join that fraternatiy of great young DE/OLB hybrid pass rushers too. Shaun Phillips is great as well.
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Merriman is the best. Ware is great. Suggs is awesome. Don't forget Adalius Thomas either. Kamerion Wimbley had 11 sacks as a rookie on the Browns for crying out loud. I think Anthony Spencer is about to join that fraternatiy of great young DE/OLB hybrid pass rushers too. Shaun Phillips is great as well.
Agreed. Along with tightend, 3-4 DE/OLB's has one the deepest pools of talent then any other position currently.
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It's funny how all the teams passed on Suggs because of his 40 time, yet he is a beast pass rusher and great in coverage and against the run, players just find a way to drop to the Ravens like Ed Reed at the 24th pick and Ray Lewis at the 26th pick, and Todd Heap at the 31st pick and so on, the Ravens know how to evaluate talent not measureables.

also some kid named clinton portis dropped to round 2
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Ravens didn't draft him, lol.
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Merriman is the best. Ware is great. Suggs is awesome. Don't forget Adalius Thomas either. Kamerion Wimbley had 11 sacks as a rookie on the Browns for crying out loud. I think Anthony Spencer is about to join that fraternatiy of great young DE/OLB hybrid pass rushers too. Shaun Phillips is great as well.
Don't forget about Manny Lawson. He could be better than all of them.
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It's funny how all the teams passed on Suggs because of his 40 time, yet he is a beast pass rusher and great in coverage and against the run, players just find a way to drop to the Ravens like Ed Reed at the 24th pick and Ray Lewis at the 26th pick, and Todd Heap at the 31st pick and so on, the Ravens know how to evaluate talent not measureables.
Ravens have a very nice history of 1st round draft picks.



Hard to argue with that. I can't think of a team that has done better in that time span.
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Hard to argue with that. I can't think of a team that has done better in that time span.
yup, only 2 flops in that 10 year span
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Don't forget about Manny Lawson. He could be better than all of them.
He hasn't proven yet that he deserves to be in any sort of discussion like this.
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yes i know
but u were tlakin about players droppin

so i thought i should share that clinton did too
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He hasn't proven yet that he deserves to be in any sort of discussion like this.
He was mentioning Anthony Spencer; I think it's fair to mention Lawson if Spencer's name is coming up.
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Suggs and Ware are great but Merriman is the standout at the position. He has just been a dominant force these past 2 years and hes only going to get better.
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I forgot my rankings:

1. Ware - He's the physical freak amongst them. He's the strongest and the fastest of the 3.

2. Suggs - He and Ware are way more well rounded than Merrimann.

3. Merrimann - The best pure pass rusher of the 3, but the least well rounded.

Suggs and Ware have been my favorite players from before both of their respective drafts though. Both play my favorite position, and I like their all around ability more than Merrimann.

Can't wait til Ware is turned loose by Phillips.
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I'd take a complete player that could play in the 4-3 and the 3-4 effectively before I take a pure(one trick pony) passrusher.
You make that sounds like it's a bad thing that Merriman is primarily a pass rusher. It's not like Wade Phillips used him that much in pass coverage. Of course, seeing as how rushing the passer is the most important thing in the NFL (at least in my honest opinion), I'd say that isn't a bad thing that Merriman is the best pure pass rusher of the two. And the best part is that he can only get better. Right now he's not using as much technique as he should. Shaun Phillips is someone that uses excellent technique and if Merriman can learn to follow in his methods then he'll be a true monster of the NFL.
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You make that sounds like it's a bad thing that Merriman is primarily a pass rusher. It's not like Wade Phillips used him that much in pass coverage. Of course, seeing as how rushing the passer is the most important thing in the NFL (at least in my honest opinion), I'd say that isn't a bad thing that Merriman is the best pure pass rusher of the two. And the best part is that he can only get better. Right now he's not using as much technique as he should. Shaun Phillips is someone that uses excellent technique and if Merriman can learn to follow in his methods then he'll be a true monster of the NFL.
You have to look at these players abilities to play in multiple systems, Suggs and Ware can do that.

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I chose Suggs to shake things up a bit. They're all really close though.
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'Roids. All I gotta say.
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Merrijuiceman is one of the most overattes players in the game. When you look at how much SD blitzes and other rushers like Williams to clog guys, Igor Olshanky and Phillips it is almost like Madden. If you send him fifteen times wide off the edge he is bound to get one or two sacks. Dont get me wrong I would love Merrriman on my team(particularly to rush th QB) but the guy just gets too much credit. I still think he will break the sack record but not due to his overall ability to play Linebacker.

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3) Merrijuiceman(over every other DE/OLB in the league other than Suggs/Ware)

Suggs is one of the most underrated players in the league. He is crazy good at LB and can rush from outside or play the down end. I just love the guy. D-Ware is a freak who is also monstrous. Merrijuiceman is a monster who is kinda overrated in his overall ability.
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Who cares if he is on roids. H is a forceand was a force when he came back from the suspension nd he is getting the derrick thoams type treatment...one trick pont BS.
that's his job. so when he breaks every record in the book go ahead and wine.
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Merrijuiceman is one of the most overattes players in the game. When you look at how much SD blitzes and other rushers like Williams to clog guys, Igor Olshanky and Phillips it is almost like Madden. If you send him fifteen times wide off the edge he is bound to get one or two sacks. Dont get me wrong I would love Merrriman on my team(particularly to rush th QB) but the guy just gets too much credit. I still think he will break the sack record but not due to his overall ability to play Linebacker.

My list:
1) Suggs
2) Ware
3) Merrijuiceman(over every other DE/OLB in the league other than Suggs/Ware)

Suggs is one of the most underrated players in the league. He is crazy good at LB and can rush from outside or play the down end. I just love the guy. D-Ware is a freak who is also monstrous. Merrijuiceman is a monster who is kinda overrated in his overall ability.
Yeah, I'm sure your calling him Merrijuiceman and being a Bronco fan doesn't give you any bias in this conversation....All those players rush the QB frequently so its not like Merriman is the only one who does that, its part of the position they all play. He's almost a glorified Rush DE, he has few responsibilities in the pass game, but thats the position he plays...hence the DE/OLB position the OP pointed out...

The steroids is a worn out and beat up topic, so I refuse to argue it, obviously he did something he shouldn't have, but just consider that he failed one test, among numerous other times being tested....its not like the guy was proven doing steroids his entire career. He cheated, knowingly or unknowingly at some point, obviously. But don't make it seem like the guy is the Barry Bonds of football.

As a pure pass rusher, I feel Merriman is the best, but he isn't as great an all-around 3-4 OLB as I think Ware is. I think those guys are 1-2, its tough to place the order depending on what you are looking for...just because I'm a Charger fan I'll say

1. Merriman
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1) Merriman
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3) Suggs

At the end i think Ware will be the best....He was way more Raw coming out of college...This year I see 15-20 sacks.......
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Yeah, I'm sure your calling him Merrijuiceman and being a Bronco fan doesn't give you any bias in this conversation....All those players rush the QB frequently so its not like Merriman is the only one who does that, its part of the position they all play. He's almost a glorified Rush DE, he has few responsibilities in the pass game, but thats the position he plays...hence the DE/OLB position the OP pointed out...

The steroids is a worn out and beat up topic, so I refuse to argue it, obviously he did something he shouldn't have, but just consider that he failed one test, among numerous other times being tested....its not like the guy was proven doing steroids his entire career. He cheated, knowingly or unknowingly at some point, obviously. But don't make it seem like the guy is the Barry Bonds of football.

As a pure pass rusher, I feel Merriman is the best, but he isn't as great an all-around 3-4 OLB as I think Ware is. I think those guys are 1-2, its tough to place the order depending on what you are looking for...just because I'm a Charger fan I'll say

1. Merriman
2. Ware
3. Suggs
Merriman has actually been proven to using steroids, so i think that would make him worse than barry
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