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View Poll Results: Who is the Best?
Terrell Suggs 41 28.28%
Demarcus Ware 34 23.45%
Shawne Merriman 70 48.28%
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Old 05-31-2007, 01:09 PM    (permalink
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Human veins can blow up like that without use of steroids. It's called hardwork and dedication and I've seen it first hand. I've watched Terrell Suggs absolutely blow up without use of any supplements. I've worked out with this guy soo mant times in the last few years and watched his ethic and level of intensity go up ten fold without touching anything, and it's been a multi-year progression, since he left high school in 99-00 till now. Look at him and the size of his neck, arms and legs and you can see a guy who worked hard for his body.
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THe way you stated the original post makes me take Suggs because he actually plays DE a bunch for the Ravens. Ware and Merriman are much more of standup linebackers than Suggs is. Suggs gets his hands dirty.
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I think Merriman is, as of right now, the better pass rusher. There's no question about that (as of now). Suggs and Ware, however, are more balanced players. It's very close in this one I think Merriman dazzles because of his pass-rushing ability, but the lack of complete play from him really makes me uneasy about him. I also think with the new system in Dallas, Ware could get many more opportunities to rush the passer. He's going to have a heck of a year. As of now, I'd say: 1. Suggs 2. Ware 3. Merriman. I think a lot could change, however, in this next year.
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THe way you stated the original post makes me take Suggs because he actually plays DE a bunch for the Ravens. Ware and Merriman are much more of standup linebackers than Suggs is. Suggs gets his hands dirty.
Yet when he was an OLB he was much more versatile than the other two.
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I think Merriman is, as of right now, the better pass rusher. There's no question about that (as of now). Suggs and Ware, however, are more balanced players. It's very close in this one I think Merriman dazzles because of his pass-rushing ability, but the lack of complete play from him really makes me uneasy about him. I also think with the new system in Dallas, Ware could get many more opportunities to rush the passer. He's going to have a heck of a year. As of now, I'd say: 1. Suggs 2. Ware 3. Merriman. I think a lot could change, however, in this next year.
Merriman actually has a lot to improve on his pass rushing ability. He was a better run stopper his rookie season than pass rusher, which is why he was always replaced by Phillips during passing downs. He improved a lot this past season but still needs to work on refining his technique. Pass rushing and run stopping should really be the only things he should about since our system depends a lot on him and Phillips pressuring the QB.
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Merriman actually has a lot to improve on his pass rushing ability. He was a better run stopper his rookie season than pass rusher, which is why he was always replaced by Phillips during passing downs. He improved a lot this past season but still needs to work on refining his technique. Pass rushing and run stopping should really be the only things he should about since our system depends a lot on him and Phillips pressuring the QB.
Considering he had 17 sacks (league leader) in 12 games I wouldn't say his pass rushing needs much work.
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Considering he had 17 sacks (league leader) in 12 games I wouldn't say his pass rushing needs much work.
Those are nice, but he still needs work against some of the better tackles in the league. He has great athleticism, and he sometimes rely on that too much. Hence, the fact that I keep bringing up his techinique versus Shaun Phillips.
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Those are nice, but he still needs work against some of the better tackles in the league. He has great athleticism, and he sometimes rely on that too much. Hence, the fact that I keep bringing up his techinique versus Shaun Phillips.
I don't know, I've never really found myself saying Merriman needs to work on his pass rush...
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I hate to say it but Shawn Merriman is the absolute best out of those three. He's a beast you can't stop him.
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Tell that to the Patriots. In the last game Merriman played, they stopped him cold and did his primadonna prance on his home field afterwards.

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Tell that to the Patriots. In the last game Merriman played, they stopped him cold and did his primadonna prance on his home field afterwards.
Speaking of which, I was wondering if it was legal to choke a pass rusher or grab them by the neck in the NFL? It's apparently one of the rules I'm not clear on.
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Tell that to the Patriots. In the last game Merriman played, they stopped him cold and did his primadonna prance on his home field afterwards.
Wasn't he playing hurt most of that game?
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Speaking of which, I was wondering if it was legal to choke a pass rusher or grab them by the neck in the NFL? It's apparently one of the rules I'm not clear on.
was it allowed? yes. some of the best are those who know how to not get caught
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was it allowed? yes. some of the best are those who know how to not get caught
Yeah, I'm not going to complain and whine that we didn't get holding calls, but considering the circumstances I don't think that is the best game to judge him on....

He was held a lot more then players usually are, still had a sack (although a relatively insignificant one), but was constantly grabbed around the neck.

It's not really fair to judge him on that one game, especially considering he was being mugged all game.
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holding? HOLDING? if anyone held the whole game it was your OL. our LBs got held as did Warren, Wilfork and Seymour

there was maybe 1 case where Light blatantly held. other than that..it was just an ordinary game except you've never seen Merriman shut down like that. he also got pancaked a twice on both sides :)
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holding? HOLDING? if anyone held the whole game it was your OL. our LBs got held as did Warren, Wilfork and Seymour

there was maybe 1 case where Light blatantly held. other than that..it was just an ordinary game except you've never seen Merriman shut down like that. he also got pancaked a twice on both sides :)
He was playing with an achilles injury, and yeah he was getting pretty consistently held. It's there on film.

and he does need to work on his technique; the guy dominates on his athleticism, but if he actually refined his pass rushing a little he'd be completely unstoppable.
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holding? HOLDING? if anyone held the whole game it was your OL. our LBs got held as did Warren, Wilfork and Seymour

there was maybe 1 case where Light blatantly held. other than that..it was just an ordinary game except you've never seen Merriman shut down like that. he also got pancaked a twice on both sides :)
I'm not saying we didn't hold, every O-Line does, it just seemed the Pats got away with a couple more obvious calls then the Chargers did....

Its time to move on though, I'm not gonna make an excuse for the guy, but c'mon no one should be judged off of one game.
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I think Merrimen is the best, but I also think that Terrell Suggs is underrated. It's easy to get looked over being on a defense like the Ravens'.
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I think Merrimen is the best, but I also think that Terrell Suggs is underrated. It's easy to get looked over being on a defense like the Ravens'.
Yeah Suggs gets no where near the credit that he deserves sometimes. While I agree that Merriman is the best of the 3, Suggs is the most complete of the 3 in terms of pass rushing, pass coverage, and run coverage.

Again, I'd say

1. Shawne Merriman
2. Terrell Suggs
3. DeMarcus Ware

You really can't go wrong with any ranking of the 3. All are outstanding young defensive players.
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i would take suggs over ware and merriman over suggs
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Suggs for me no doubt. His crazy athleticism and ability is often overlooked because of how good the rest of the defense is. The guy is a freak.
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As a pass rusher I'd definately take Merriman but I think Ware is the best overall OLB. he seems to be better in coverage than the other two are.
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